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How do I counter the following specific anti gun-control argument convincingly?
The gun-control proposition:
If no one carried a gun then there would be no need for any individual to carry one, concealed or not.
The anti gun-control argument to that proposition:
In the absence of guns, there is still violence perpetrated on victims (rape, battery, attempted murder, etc.). Victims have the right to defend themselves and, especially weaker or elderly ones, the right to do it with something practical, easy to use, and with guaranteed stopping power like a gun.
How do I counter that argument convincingly?
You don’t. You’re on the wrong side (again!).
Here’s a better set of questions for you:
Do you believe that taking away guns will really make crime go away?
Is that in fact your real motivation for taking guns away, or do you have an ulterior motive?
If your motivation truly is to lower crime/eliminate crime, what other options do you see besides infringing upon people’s rights?
Do you believe people’s rights are more important, less important or equally important to stopping crime?
If guns were gone tomorrow (simply vanished, along with all knowledge of guns, and how to manufacture guns), what do you think would happen?
How long would it be before people would invent guns again (after the guns simply vanished)?
CJR: Your first sentence is accurate. After that, it goes down hill.
The word “Arms” does very much include things like swords, knives, rifles and even grenades. The NRA has nothing to do with that definition.
The fact that the government has seen fit to restrict those things doesn’t change anything. In fact, all it does is prove Thomas Jefferson correct when he said (paraphrased) that government tends to look after itself, and it needed to be watched cautiously.
There needs to be no “justifiable reason” for people to own arms. We have the inalienable right to arms for our protection, just as a tiger has the inalienable right to his claws and his teeth for his own protection. It doesn’t matter whether he is protecting himself from another tiger, or a human hunter, or an angry bee.
It doesn’t matter to us whether we are protecting ourselves from an over-reaching tyrannical government or a murderous intruder or a carjacker. The end result is the same. We have the right to keep and bear arms.
The right to keep and bear arms absolutely confers the right to overthrow a government that has overstepped its bounds. Read and then re-read the Delaration of Independence. Read anything written by the founding fathers, but especially Thomas Jefferson. Government was and always should be distrusted and kept to a minimum. More government is more ‘bad’ (pardon the grammar).
I have absolutely seen tracer/incendiary ammunition for sale. Go look anywhere on the web. What planet do you live on?
Gun laws vary by state, so many of the areas you mentioned are legal to bring guns into in some states, and others are much more restrictive.
If your point was that some gun control is allowed (and therefore constitutional), I’ll agree that it has been allowed, but it’s constitutionality is being questioned, and rightly so. We should constantly question the constitutionality of every law.
Guns don’t necessarily take the intimacy out of killing. They simply level out the “playing field.” A 90 year old man and seventeen year old kid can both use one with equal outcomes. Tell a 90 year old man that he has to wrestle with his attacker, instead of using his gun to defend his life. He likely will lose. A seventeen year old would have an easier time of it, but even his youthful strength might not be the match of his attacker’s. Give them both a gun, and play the scenario again. Who loses now?
Guns level the playing field. Everyone can use one, and they require no special skill to use proficiently. The plus for society is that criminals prefer unarmed victims, and don’t like the level playing field.
Disarming society only helps the criminals. We will always have criminals. If you want to live as a servant; fearful, on your knees, hoping that no one hurts you and begging for scraps–go for it. I prefer to live as a man.
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